Okay. So, for over 20 years, I've been driving for a living and I received over 30, um, automated violations via mail, and I've not paid a single 1 and you just take them, you crumble them up and you throw them away years ago when they first instituted automated uh, traffic light, uh, tickets in Cleveland Ohio. It was taken to court and deemed unconstitutional because there is no accuser to face in court. Um unfortunately it was not deemed unconstitutional to keep issuing these citations. Um, so therefore people who are scared nervous that they could go on their record just automatically pay them. Therefore, it's a big windfall for these municipalities but it is unnecessary for the people to even consider this to A thing, um, I've not paid a single 1. There's nothing on my permanent driving record, there's nothing in. Um, any information that my insurance company has that any of these citations were even issued? Um, whenever I get 1 in the mail I just simply throw it away. I've never paid 1. If everybody would just quit paying them. These uh automated tickets will simply just go away because the municipalities will not want to pay the fees to these companies uh for this system if they're not making money. So, I mean take it for what it, you know for what it's worth. I've never paid 1 over the last 20-something years. Never got in trouble, nothing on my record, and they're simply just dumb.